and we have to find them and they assign one relatively new fbi agent to find him. >> eliot: this is where it is so easy and the other side will say it is easy to look back and cast blame. it is an effort to figure out how do you do better next time. had they looked at the 70, as you now say 70 ceo briefings listen, we have to get every shred of evidence connect the dots, something might have been different. >> it could have been. i'm never going to say if they had done this, they would have stopped 9-11. >> eliot: you don't want to say that because there's no utility to it. >> it is also unnotable. on some levels, transitions between about thesies are dangerous -- between about thesies are bangs. if people aren't willing to say maybe we've been out of the loop. maybe we need to pay a lot more attention. and there was just not that level of humility in the early days. and that was a serious problem. there was a great deal of disdain for the c.i.a. there was a great deal of disdain for the defense intelligence agency. and it just -- it was the wrong brooch -- approach. >> eliot: the b